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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_beta2014-06-10 05:55 am

New responsive-design site skins and community admin pages

This code push introduced a few pages as a "test drive" of our first draft of a responsive-design overhaul of the site.

As I said in the [site community profile] dw_news post announcing the test-drive, there are several purposes of this redesign. Aside from the boring technical ones (making it easier for us to maintain and troubleshoot the code, reducing browser incompatability, giving us more options in terms of designing, etc), the two big ones are:

* Improve the way the site looks and feels on small screens (such as on tablets and mobile devices) without worsening the experience for people using large screens (desktops and laptops).

* Improve the accessibility of the site: make it easier to access the site with screenreaders, interact with the site using alternate input devices, interact with the site using only the mouse or only the keyboard, etc.

This is a "first draft"-type implementation, and we're sure that people are going to have a lot of feedback! Usually we would have run this through a [site community profile] dw_beta-style beta test that you could activate for your account, but Boring Technical Reasons means that doing a beta-style test for this would have been difficult if not impossible. So, we've converted the community admin area, including the site skins as displayed on those pages, as a working example. This will let you get a sense of what the site skins will look like, and the sort of "visual vocabulary" we'll be using.

This entry is for two things: reporting any actual display bugs or glitches with the pages (in your browser, whether on your computer or on your mobile device), and providing aesthetic feedback about the look and feel of the design.

If you're reporting display bugs or glitches: Please describe the glitch in as much detail as possible. Screenshots would be really helpful, especially if you're only seeing the glitch in one browser but not another, or only on your phone but not on your laptop. (You don't have to check for the glitch on multiple devices, but if you do, let us know which devices have the problem and which don't.)

If you have feedback specifically about the aesthetics or the look of the redesign (you think something needs more padding, want to suggest a different font/color/color combination/background/what-have-you, think something is in the wrong place, that kind of thing): Please be as specific as possible about what you think needs to be changed, or what's bugging you about the way things look. For instance, instead of saying "the header is so ugly and squished now, change it back", say "On my computer, the links in the header don't have enough space between them, so they look like they're running into each other."

(We know that people definitely have strong opinions about the way things should look -- that's why we're doing this incrementally -- but the most helpful feedback is the kind that's specific, concrete, and actionable.)

With all feedback, include the following:

* Which site skin you're using (you can find this on the Display tab of Manage Settings if you don't know)
* What browser and browser version you're seeing the problem in
* What operating system you're using
* What type of device you're using: laptop, desktop, phone, tablet, e-reader, etc. (And if phone/tablet/e-reader, what make and model.)
* What your display resolution is, and what your current browser size is. To check this if you aren't sure: go to whatismy.browsersize.com and report the following numbers: Browser window width, browser window height, screen width, screen height.

If you're specifically reporting an issue with how the redesign works (or doesn't!) in your assistive technology setup, please also include:

* What assistive technology you're using (name of program, description of setup, etc)
* If it's software, the software version
* If it's workflow related (you find it difficult to navigate using keyboard-only navigation, for instance), a brief description of your workflow and what about the page is making it difficult

A note about font size: if you use Tropospherical Red (the default site skin) or Tropospherical Purple, and your first reaction when you look at the page is that the font size is too big, that's because it actually is larger than it was, and that's deliberate. The existing versions of the Tropo site skins set the font size on the page to be .75em (75% of your browser default size). That's actually an accessibility problem, and we shouldn't have done it way back when we were creating the site. (But we weren't thinking as much about accessibility then as we are now!)

We've tried several times since then to change the Tropo skins so they use your browser's default font size, to fix our mistake, but the way the Tropo skins were coded made it difficult if not impossible. This redesign is making it possible for us to fix that mistake now. So, if you think the font size is too large: it's using your browser's default font size, and you can change that yourself. In many browsers, you can specify a particular zoom level for a specific site, too. (In fact, you may have already changed it to be larger on Dreamwidth, to counterbalance the smaller font size that the site skin was setting; if so, changing it back will help.)
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2014-06-10 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
The menu doesn't work well on my Nexus 7 in Chrome (not sure about the version or where to find that info, it's the most recent one I can update to). The browser size info is 600,800,600,912.

The menu is not broken as such, but I enlarged the screen area with the menu button a little before touching it to hit it more easily, and then what opened looked just like empty gray with tiny arrows. I realized only when I zoomed out again that actually there was text just far to the left with a lot of space, but at first I thought the menu wasn't showing. Then to close the menu I had to hit the button again, when I expected it to close also if I touched elsewhere on the screen instead of the menu.
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[personal profile] nonethefewer 2014-06-10 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
Possibly dumb question: would this have affected advanced custom styles? Because at some point in the past week or two, I noticed that some advanced custom items had stopped existing for me.

(For an example, I'm a dork who likes alliteration, and I'd set the "Custom Access Groups" text to "Tier:"... or at least I thought I had?)
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[personal profile] cheyinka 2014-06-10 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
It looks really nice in Celerity in Chrome 35.0.1916.114. (That is a weirdly specific version number.)

I can't be much more specific; I didn't have any problems with it before, I don't have any problems now, and I wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't said "positive feedback is good".
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[personal profile] biodamped 2014-06-10 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
This is probably one of the most trivial comments you'll get but - I'm using the tropospherical purple site skin, and the new link colour for the header links (post/reading page/inbox etc) and options links (is that even what they're called? The ones under settings: profile/style/setting etc for each community) are actually a lot harder for me to read. They were formerly a very dark grey; now they're a mid-purple. And actually, squinting at it, the top header links seem to be a lighter purple than the others.

This is a really common problem for me, but judging by the amount of sites that use a complementary (but low contrast) palette in their site layouts, I get the feeling I'm a minority.

The log out button is also significantly smaller - not an issue for me as I rarely log out, but maybe for some?

As far as the font size issue goes - my first response was "oh, big links", but they're not obnoxiously huge on my screen (1366 x 768) and not something I'd be bothered fiddling with browser settings to change.

And it's probably not overly helpful here, but just so you have it for your records, I'm on Win7 / Waterfox 28 (the 64-bit Firefox), and my dimensions are window width: 1366, window height: 613, screen width: 1366, screen height: 768, screen color depth: 24.

I'll test this out on my iThing tomorrow to see how it behaves in that. Thanks to the design team for all their work so far - I'm looking forward to seeing how this eventually turns out. You guys do excellent work!
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2014-06-10 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Firefox Aurora 31.0a2, Windows 8.1, 1600x900 resolution, 17px minimum font size.

As previously noted:
Love the new design (and functionalities)!
Starting at 15px minimum font size, the menu 'boxes' overlap the menu bar and the little DW twirls are a bit too close to the text (menu items and submenu items).
Also noting: right elements (search) aren't vertically aligned in the middle, the go button overlaps the bottom of the bar.
Below 15px minimum font size, the right elements aren't correctly placed and go under the bar.
I don't know if the go below when too small is by design but if it is I feel it looks very odd where it is and the way it's still displayed like a shorter bar, attached or sometimes not attached to the bar above. Also content below doesn't get pushed down.

In current Chrome, using a bigger font size than the default one (which I think is called medium in English) will more or less have the same effects: swirls being too close to the text, right elements overlapping the menu bar. Also the leading in the submenus gets smaller. Using a smaller font size than medium will make search go below the bar, as in FF.

The 'switch' button background is too close to the background of the bigger box it's in, not providing enough contrast imo. I feel the gray on gray doesn't have enough contrast generally speaking actually. It also looks like it's missing a dark border and is right next to the 'work as' drop down and I think a little space in between these would be nice. Same thing for the 'find' button at the bottom of the page.

http://i.imgur.com/aPQffcu.png
Edited 2014-06-10 14:03 (UTC)
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[personal profile] theladyscribe 2014-06-10 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I have two devices: a 1366 x 768 Windows 7 laptop on which I run Firefox (the most recent version) and an iPhone 5 (with iOS 7.1.1). The new menu looks pretty good on both, if a little bland, but bland is preferable to busy!

However, if I change my default font size on my browser, the text size of ALL the text on that page changes, which means the Settings and Moderation Queue text is still larger than the rest of the text on the page. Right now, the difference in text size doesn't really bother me, since it's on an isolated page I rarely use, but if the entire site is headed toward responsive design, should we expect the font issue to affect all of the default design pages?
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[personal profile] musyc 2014-06-10 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Laptop: Vista Home Premium SP2, Firefox 29.0.1, Tropo Purple (Stylish turned off after I remembered >.> ), 1280x800. (Default font, Times New Roman at 16, with 'allow pages to choose their own' checked.)

The menu links in the top header (post, reading page, inbox, etc) have very different colors. a is a much lighter purple than expected, a:hover and a:active are a deep ... plum? There appears to be no a:visited differentiation.

The logout button at the top has lost its decorative elements. No gradient/shiny. It's a couple of pixels further right - which I actually like. I've felt for a long time that it's too close to the user name.

The tiny arrows in the drop-down menus are rather nice! Makes it more obvious there's stuff underneath them.

One thing that bothers me: When the font is zoomed or the screen-area is reduced, the colored bar with the interaction options drops the search box and go button down a line, aligned right. Buuuuuuuuut the color doesn't extend to the left of the screen with it. I have no suggestions and it's something I could learn to ignore eventually, but it tweaks my mental full-alignment!1! preferences.

(And I don't know if it's always been there and I've just never seen it before or if it's a new thing, but the "remove purged members" button on the community membership list? Awesome. That makes semi-irregular list cleanups so much easier. I'd personally like it to take care of deleted members too (I'm picky about struck-out names in my member lists), but purged is totally cool.)
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[personal profile] stormy 2014-06-10 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Firefox 27.0. Desktop, Windows 7 1680x1050 (1680x887) Default 16

I think you all know how I feel about rem, em, px, and percentages, so I'm going to completely ignore talking about that further in favor of some small tweaks.

The "Log Out" button definitely needs some horizontal padding. Likewise, the "Go" search button could probably use the same treatment. For a clean look, I'd suggest a minimal border-radius on both. It'll make the top white highlight on "Log Out" look nicer.

For the manage community page specifically: The Settings links do not show up on a single line. The last link, "Members", is displaying on the line below all by its lonesome. It should go join the others regardless of browser font.

The community titles are currently bold and #111. Can we remove the bold from these? It's the darkest thing on the page in that area and a slight overkill.

In Tropo Red, the page background is #F7F7F7. The community management table is #FFF. The alternating rows with #F7F7F7 feel a little light. That's odd considering I use a custom code for my profiles with #E7E7E7 on the default background of #F7F7F7. I've checked my monitor calibrations and those are fine, but against the white background of the container my eyes strain at the #F7F7F7 sections. It could be the viewing angle of my monitor. If the #F7F7F7 is looking alright everywhere else, a 1px solid #E7E7E7 top and bottom border of the alternating sections would make them pop a bit more.

And last for now, but minor: Is there any way we can lessen the vertical padding in the list of communities? The old design had the benefit of seeing more communities on the page at a glance rather than have to scroll and search. With alternating row colors, you probably don't need as much padding.
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[personal profile] spikedluv 2014-06-10 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm on an HP laptop, Windows XP, Chrome version 35.0.1916.114 m

About the font size: I am using Tropo Purple and so I've been checking my font defaults. My browser is set to 'medium' so it doesn't appear that the text should be so large. Also, I noticed that it's only the text in the middle of the page that is so large. The menu at the top and bottom are in a smaller font.

Additionally, as the person above mentioned, the 'member' option should really be on the same line as the other community management options (if only because it's driving me nuts being on the next line *g*). I thought at first that it was on a separate line because of the larger font size, but playing with the zoom option didn't fix it, so it must be 'pinned' there for some reason.

Also agree that there might be too much unnecessary space between communities in the list.
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[personal profile] minkhollow 2014-06-10 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Cosmetic thing: The visited-link color in the purple site skin is too light. I looked in both Chrome and Firefox (where I had non-visited links available to compare), and the new color doesn't really pop enough to do the job. I'm partial to the black visited links in current!Tropo Purple, but dark purple would also work if you wanted to stick with the theme.

(Windows 7, laptop; I think this one's unaffected by browser size, all things considered.)
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[personal profile] minkhollow 2014-06-10 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, hey, that's two of us who don't like the new visited-link color. I think that's the kind of feedback they're after before a full rollout happens.

ETA: Just spent a little time logged into an account that's still set to Tropo Red; those visited links are also too light. I personally don't mind the default link color on either of these new site schemes, but the visited links? No dice.
Edited 2014-06-10 23:36 (UTC)
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[personal profile] badly_knitted 2014-06-10 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I only work on my laptop, so I can't comment for other devices, but as things stand, all the links are appearing on top of each other or cramped together, There's a horizontal list of links (sorry, I'm not tech savvy) for each of my two communities, then a vertical list of other links below my user name that goes right across both, making everything hard to read. There are also only minimal gaps between each of the options in the horizontal lists of links.

(I hope you can make sense of what I'm try to explain).

Everything is in one small asrea in the middle of my screen. It's kinda cramped at the moment.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2014-06-10 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconding unbolding community titles and making the gray rows a bit darker.
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[personal profile] blue_ant 2014-06-10 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I also don't like the new visited-link color. You're definitely not alone.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2014-06-10 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Hack: when viewing a moderated entry, there's a line going through the text which is above the optional message textarea.

Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition tablet/built-in browser: same issues as mentioned above if text is set higher than 100%.

Same device w/ Firefox 29: oh I see the 'switch', etc. buttons have a gradient! It didn't show elsewhere. It's pretty but doen't really fit the rest of the design which is flat. My opinion of course. The text on 'save membership settings' is also harder to read w/ a gradient I think.
Text in menus, header and footer is too small for me (I have it at the higher setting): it's bigger in the current design.
The little twirls are cut off.
Log out and go are really, really small.
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[personal profile] valley 2014-06-10 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Mac, 1280 x 800, with Chrome 35.0.1916.114 (browser 1275 x 683).

The page itself looks fine to me. I only manage one community, so I'm not sure what it looks like with more.

Navigation on the top right (account, search) is a bit messy. The drop-down box could use more horizontal padding, and the long "Site and Account" title covers the drop-down arrow. Aesthetically, the "go" button to the right of the drop-down box could also use some more padding; and while I could get used to (but do not prefer) a square "log out" button, it might look nicer if the button styles were consistent.

This is what it looks like to me: http://i.imgur.com/ZvxWEqn.png

On iPhone with Safari: The Menu drop-down doesn't close unless I tap Menu again, even if I navigate to a different page and then go back. I'd prefer the menu to close when I leave the page. Aesthetically speaking, the site navigation links at the bottom of the page (Privacy Policy, Terms of Service, etc.) have a broken background: the top half is the same grey gradient as on the full site, but the bottom half is solid (darker) grey.

Overall, I do like where the design is going.
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[personal profile] emeralddarkness 2014-06-10 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Aesthetically and actually functionally I prefer the font size as it is right now - I sometimes have information heavy posts, or very long threads, and so upping default font size on the site for everyone would mean a lot more scrolling for me - and a bunch of other people, I think. I like to be able to read as much as possible with as little movement as possible so that's a little annoying. Other than that it seems pretty similar to what's going on right now, just... everything shoved under a magnifying glass. The bars at the tops and bottoms of the pages are bigger, the text is bigger, the tables are bigger, which means it'll take more space to fill with the same amount of information. While I can see how this would make mobile platform DW a little more convenient, I'm not sure how much of a difference it'd actually be able to make. I have a fairly big phone screen and in order to click the right link I'm fairly sure I'd still have to zoom in.

Basically I don't see the point and it's slightly annoying already.

People have already been commenting some on the link colors, and I'm here to chime in. I have the 'as basic as it gets' just red and white default skin, and although it's possible to tell the difference between 'have clicked' and 'have not clicked' links, it seems a fair bit more subtle than it was before, which could make seeing it on smaller or darker screens harder.
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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2014-06-10 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Using FF29 on Ubuntu 14.04, 1920x1080 screen resolution, Tropo Red. The biggest thing that stands out to me is that the grey header and footer bars don't extend the full width of the screen (which apparently is also on non-beta Tropo Red, I just haven't seen it because of my Stylish hacks). It looks kind of weird and chopped-off that way though.

Also, the table for editing member stuff feels weirdly-aligned, I think because it's stuck under the big grey 'work as $x' box which is full canvas-width while the member table isn't. Either making it full-width as well, or centering it would work I think :|a
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[personal profile] tree 2014-06-10 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
i also use tropo purple and find the new link colours hard to read.
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[personal profile] ruriair 2014-06-10 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Galaxy S3, OS ver. 4.3, Chrome browser ver. 35.0.1916.141
Browser window width: 980
browser window height: 1544
screen width: 360
screen height: 640
site skin: THE RED ONE BTW TOTALLY FORGOT TO MENTION.

The "switch" button is pretty hard to distinguish from the box it's sitting in on the members page. (The box it's sitting in is kind of dark in the browser version too tbh.) "Find" button is also kind of hard to distinguish. Maybe add a border?

Members lists are long, skinny vertical columns that might do better if they had more width where "member" would sit next to the username, then "posting access" and "administrator" is underneath in a row together? Or more like how the invitations page is listed I guess. It's especially awful when I turn my phone sideways and they're these tiny things on the left-hand side.

I don't see a link to the queue anywhere on the mobile Manage Communities page, but it's in the browser version. Turning phone sideways on the Manage Communities page makes the box of everything sit to the left when it's all centered if the phone is upright. On the invitations page, things sit a little to the right when the phone is turned sideways.

Also this happened.

And JUST CHECKING because the hover menus hate me: Nothing appears when hovering over userheads in the browser version of the page (I do have that turned on.), and in the mobile version when I click my username, the box appears but the links are all in an unstyled unordered list of bullet points like what I get usually on the site here.
Edited 2014-06-10 20:13 (UTC)
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[personal profile] prototypical 2014-06-10 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreeing. The link colors in general are too light for a white background -- darker purple overall would be easier to read.
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[personal profile] susanreads 2014-06-10 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I only have one community so I'm not seeing some of the things people are commenting on, but I must disagree about the link colours in Tropo Purple. I can tell them apart for the First Time Ever! If you go with these, I won't have to open news posts in My style in order to tell which links I've already followed. (The red for hover is unexpected, but not a problem.)

Laptop, Windows 7, Firefox 29.0.1; I can't get that site with the browser dimensions to load.

The settings list on the manage communities page is weird: at my default font size (16), Members is on a line by itself; as I zoom in and out, Invitations joins it and then goes back again!

Could the search field you type into be bigger vertically? Regardless of zoom setting, the dropdown "Interest" etc. is in a deeper box than the actual search box. In the original design, they're the same depth, as far as I can tell.
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[personal profile] moniqueleigh 2014-06-10 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
In Gradation Vertical, I'm not actually seeing much change. Granted, I only have the one comm, & I don't change it often (like... maybe once since initial setup?). But it all looks much the same as before, so I'm good.

Oh, as for the what I'm using stuffages: Firefox 29.0 on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS laptop w/external monitor (because the original screen is busted), Browser window width: 1280, Browser window height: 894, Screen width: 1280, Screen height: 1024.

Can't help with other devices as I don't work on my phone, and my tablet is getting rooted (because somebody decided it would be a nifty idea to ship a tablet without an app store or any way to actually add one shy of rooting. No, I don't understand either.)
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[personal profile] biodamped 2014-06-10 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually just switched to Tropo Red to see if I preferred that, but it's pretty nasty on my eyes unfortunately. (And yes, the links are still too light. For me, both visited and unvisited require squinting, even with my laptop screen set to highest brightness - something I rarely do due to it triggering migraine.)

ETA of my own: Thought I better reply with my actual journal and not an RP one, so as not to confuse the issue ;)

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