New Create Entries management page

[denise]

This post is to report bugs in the new Create Entries page. This is a complete rewrite of the old Update page, in order to allow for future expansion and new features such as draft posts, scheduled posts, recurring posts, expanding the range of what can be posted to your journal, and a whole host of other awesome things.

When reporting bugs, please include:

* The browser name, browser version number, and operating system you're using
* The steps you took to reproduce the problem
* Whether or not you've tested the same steps in another browser (and if so, which)
* Whether you get the same result every time you try the same steps, or if it only happens sometimes

If we can't reproduce the problem under the same browser and operating system, we may also ask you for a list of any browser extensions you have installed.

Not all features are completely implemented in the new Create Entries page yet. The biggest thing currently missing is the Rich Text editor -- the only option is the plain-old-HTML option. The design of the page is geared towards changing concepts and visual/workflow metaphors around what it means to "post an entry", too -- because of the forthcoming draft and scheduled posts, we needed to adapt some of the language and some of the ways we present concepts -- even though the draft and scheduled post functionality isn't ready to be released yet. So, if something looks awkward or like it doesn't quite fit, it's probably there to allow for something we'll be releasing in the future. (You can still mention it, though!)

Things we also consider to be bugs that should be reported, in addition to something not working right:

* if you can't figure out what to do at any step of the update process
* if you have accessibility-related problems (with your screenreader, with the tab order of the page, with the workflow, etc)
* if something about the new workflow completely breaks the way you use your journal, and you can't figure out any way to work around it (there may be a way to do what you're used to doing, but if you can't figure it out, that's something we might change or might want to document, etc)

You can enable or disable beta testing at any point.

Not yet enabled

* Rich Text editing
* Using the new Create Entries page for editing existing entries
* Using the new Create Entries page for comm admins deleting posts or performing admin overrides
* Draft posts of any type, including the in-browser saved drafts that exist right now

Known/Reported Bugs

* some difficulties crossposting, looks like possibly date-related? we're trying to figure it out.

Should be fixed

* Settings not properly saving when using the "gear" customize-this-page popup; some modules disappear
* Create Entries form being repeated after posting an entry
* Error in link to Beta Features at top of page
* Error messages when using new update page in older versions of Firefox
* Difficulties with IE (oh, IE)
* Errors with time being truncated
* inactive icons showing in the icon browser
* minsecurity of journal not reflecting properly in update form
* whole host of display glitches

Comments

[sara]

...so, now, wait -- I turn on beta testing, hit post, and...is something supposed to happen that looks different, or am I doing it wrong?

[denise]

Whups, sorry -- no, not yet; the code hasn't been pushed. It won't be live until the next code push (which will be announced in dw_maintenance) -- this is just the advance post so we can have a URL to link to in the page tweaks fu is about to commit!

[sara]

Ah. I was going, wow, for something they've been telling us will be a big change, this is really very subtle.

[denise]

hee hee heeeee (if you want to see what it will look like, check the demo, though)

[sara]

Why Denise, you've made it look more like...WordPress.

Or like WordPress and LJ had a really exciting weekend at the coast together, and nine months later, a new create entries page was born.

(I would put more white space at the top of the page, but that's just me.)

Also, I have just laughed so hard at the example tags that Herself wants to know what I'm doing.

[denise]

The example tags cracked me the fuck up *G* The keywords fu put on icons are pretty good, too.

And yeah, heavily inspired by WP, although we tried to make it a little less overwhelming!

[silverflight8]

That is a pairing idea I had not considered before ;) I suppose Dreamwidth adopted the baby update page.

I am wildly excited to see this new update page, though! I have turned on beta testing in anticipation :P

[sara]

I think WP is turning more and more into a complete CMS, which frankly I welcome -- I look at the improvements from the first nonprofit sites I built to the most recent, and I look at the functionality we've added over the years...well, between open source and Google for Nonprofits, things are a lot easier and better now than they were just a short time ago. So, yeah, for journaling, WP is overkill. For what I do with it, it's a gift from the geek gods. ;>

I don't think I'd seen the pumpkinsheep! Aww, pumpkinsheep.

[sara]

I've always hoped DW would go in an "unholy offspring of LJ and WP" direction, personally. ;>

[silverflight8]

I admit (with much twinges of guilt from disloyalty) that I've always really liked the cleanness of Wordpress' update page, but it was really confusing for me, being used to LJ. The mockup page looks promising.

[azurelunatic]

This was unexpected: http://www.diigo.com/item/image/yf91/obik?size=o

Application: Firefox 7.0.1 (20110928134238)
Operating System: WINNT (x86-msvc)

October 31, 2011

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[ivorygates]

I just tried to change the settings [where you click the gear and you're taken to a page of ticky boxes] but all that does is get rid of tags, comments, icon, and, um, everything but the box for typing the entry into. And I don't seem to be able to get them back...

[musyc]

Same here. It clears the ticky boxes entirely and I can't get the modules to come back.

[ivorygates]

oh thank god it isn't just me.

i can still use it to post with, though.

but... right now it is not here.

wtf?

[sarken]

I have this problem, too.

[iosonochesono]

So far, I can't seem to move the things to where I would like them.

When I tried to click the settings, all options and forms disappeared, including tags.

I think 'security' and 'filters' would ideally be separated in some way. I have a lot of filters (on LJ, for filtering my friends list over filtering my entries) and it makes my page look all gawky and really long. I don't actually need it on my update page like 99% of the time, but the access/public/private I need way more often.

I'm on Mac 10.5 and have FireFox, btw.

I didn't see the tag brows option, that will be around eventually right? But first I should see if I can get a good look at it again because when I went back to the post page it was showing the old one again... I figure that's because it *just* started :3

[iosonochesono]

Yeah, that's the problem I was just describing!

[denise]

Reproducing this, after making an entry; it shows the "success" page, small break, then repeats the site-schemed header and shows the new-entry screen again.

(I suspect this is a misplaced elsif. *G*)

[ivorygates]

Oh, and Win7x64 using Chrome 15.0.874.106 m [latest version].

[musyc]

In the little alert box at the top of the page: To turn off beta testing, visit the beta features page. Clicking the link for "beta features" leads to this URL and a 404: http://www.dreamwidth.org/entry/::SITEROOT/betafeatures


Also, I'm really really really disappointed that the "modules in side column" option is only for "wider windows". Nooooooo, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? That was the primary thing I was interested in. It worked fine on this netbook in the mockups - I'm hoping it will work fine still, but I can't see any modules at all right now to test out whether my window is wide enough. In any case, a notation of just how wide "wider" is would be keen.

ETA: I never remember to mention this. Win7 starter edition, Firefox 6.0.2, several extensions, can list if needed.

[iosonochesono]

I love the WP update page, tbh, and hope to actually get around to blogging where I use more of the features. *snicker* I'm awful at blogging useful content, though. I just wish some of the plugins were actually just default things, like YouTube embed.

(Though I'm talking about self-hosting with an installed WP, not the WP site.)

[iosonochesono]

Yeah... I can't seem to get the page back now, editing it doesn't bring back what I had when I first opted in.

[tree]

I don't know if this is a bug or if it's just Something I Didn't Know. I opted into the beta testing prior to the code push, then couldn't figure out why I wasn't seeing the sexy new update page. I went back to the beta features page to double check and there are now two sections to opt into. One is "New JS on Journals" and the other is "New Create Entries Page", and I had to click a second "turn on beta testing" button there.

Also, it says that the cut expand and collapse has been implemented, but I still see only the standard ( cut text here ) links. Oh I think that may be covered by the javascript errors that have been reported. Okay!

[musyc]

Oh, and! From the settings page with ticky boxes, there's no way to get back to the update page except going to the create menu again. That's non-intuitive for me. I expected clicking the save button to dump me straight back to the update page. Maybe a link somewhere near the save button?

[tree]

I was about to mention this. At first I thought maybe the save hadn't worked, so I clicked 'Save' again. The behaviour really should be to take you back to the updated update page (that looks weird), or at least with a link to it, like you suggest.