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New Create Entries management page

This post is to report bugs in the new Create Entries page. This is a complete rewrite of the old Update page, in order to allow for future expansion and new features such as draft posts, scheduled posts, recurring posts, expanding the range of what can be posted to your journal, and a whole host of other awesome things.

When reporting bugs, please include:

* The browser name, browser version number, and operating system you're using
* The steps you took to reproduce the problem
* Whether or not you've tested the same steps in another browser (and if so, which)
* Whether you get the same result every time you try the same steps, or if it only happens sometimes

If we can't reproduce the problem under the same browser and operating system, we may also ask you for a list of any browser extensions you have installed.

Not all features are completely implemented in the new Create Entries page yet. The biggest thing currently missing is the Rich Text editor -- the only option is the plain-old-HTML option. The design of the page is geared towards changing concepts and visual/workflow metaphors around what it means to "post an entry", too -- because of the forthcoming draft and scheduled posts, we needed to adapt some of the language and some of the ways we present concepts -- even though the draft and scheduled post functionality isn't ready to be released yet. So, if something looks awkward or like it doesn't quite fit, it's probably there to allow for something we'll be releasing in the future. (You can still mention it, though!)

Things we also consider to be bugs that should be reported, in addition to something not working right:

* if you can't figure out what to do at any step of the update process
* if you have accessibility-related problems (with your screenreader, with the tab order of the page, with the workflow, etc)
* if something about the new workflow completely breaks the way you use your journal, and you can't figure out any way to work around it (there may be a way to do what you're used to doing, but if you can't figure it out, that's something we might change or might want to document, etc)

You can enable or disable beta testing at any point.

Not yet enabled

* Rich Text editing
* Using the new Create Entries page for editing existing entries
* Using the new Create Entries page for comm admins deleting posts or performing admin overrides
* Draft posts of any type, including the in-browser saved drafts that exist right now

Known/Reported Bugs

* some difficulties crossposting, looks like possibly date-related? we're trying to figure it out.

Should be fixed

* Settings not properly saving when using the "gear" customize-this-page popup; some modules disappear
* Create Entries form being repeated after posting an entry
* Error in link to Beta Features at top of page
* Error messages when using new update page in older versions of Firefox
* Difficulties with IE (oh, IE)
* Errors with time being truncated
* inactive icons showing in the icon browser
* minsecurity of journal not reflecting properly in update form
* whole host of display glitches

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Moods keep carrying over from the poster's journal theme into a community, rather than using the community's mood theme. And no matter how much you edit, the initial mood remains the same.

Attempting to make a journal post with the Beta editor gave me an erroneous report of three unclosed and one <blockquote> tags and would not allow me to post the entry without correcting them. (I also suggest that if this is going to be a feature, then users should be able to override it, or, the errors should be highlighted to reduce the time it takes to hunt down an unclosed HTML tag.) I was able to post it after switching back to the regular editor, and the entry (here) does not have any underline or blockquote errors. Here is the code:

PLAYER INFORMATION<blockquote>
PLAYER: Bryo
ARE YOU AT LEAST 18 YEARS OLD?: Y
CONTACT: Plurk, Discord, OOC journal, or PM. The mods require some way to contact you.
CHARACTERS PLAYED: N/A.</blockquote>
 
CHARACTER INFORMATION<blockquote>
NAME: Larcei
CANON: Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War
CANON REFERENCE: Any info links will be accepted here. If apping an OC, this doesn't apply.
CANON POINT: What point in the story is your character from?
CRAU HISTORY: N/AAGE: ~17 (it's ambiguous, but she isn't younger than that)
APPEARANCE: Larcei is a 17 - 18 year old girl with short dark hair and a swordfighter's build. She wears unrestrictive clothing and lightweight armor to maximize her mobility on the battlefield. <a href=https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/2/26/Lakche_%28TCG_Series_2%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120505171444">IMAGE</a>

CONTRACT PAYMENT: Larcei stubbornly insists that her mother Ayra survived the Battle of Belhalla, but the fact is that Ayra hasn't been seen in the seventeen years since. Larcei wants to know what happened to Ayra, where she is, and how to find her.
QUESTIONNAIRE:

An enemy of your faction has asked for a meeting, proposing a truce of sorts to deal with a greater threat. On one hand, there is indeed a threat at hand, but on the other, this person double-crossing you is just as likely an outcome. Do you agree to the meeting? Do you trust them?

If Larcei had reason to think that this enemy is just as likely to attack her as this greater threat, then she would not agree to the meeting. She isn't against working alongside a former enemy; in the game, she can recruit the two sons of Isaach's tyrannical governor, but she does so because she thinks they can be trusted. If she has to fight a threat that is greater than both herself and her enemy, she wants someone who she can rely on--if she constantly has to watch her back against her own partner, then it's worse than fighting alone. And if her partner took the opportunity to betray her, her faction would be worse off for not having her there to help them fight this threat.

What does family mean to you and who do you consider a part of your family?

Larcei's immediate family is her twin brother Scathach, but she sees all the children raised with her at Tirnanog as family. With the other children, Larcei views them as something akin to cousins--they may not be immediate kin, but they are still her family. They grew up in the same conditions as her and understand what it was like to grow up in fear and hiding, constantly planning for the day when they could break out and strike back against the empire. They all understand each other's lives and struggles. With Scathach being her twin brother, naturally, their bond is closer. She knows his weaknesses and he knows hers, and they share the particular pain of being part of a royal family that has to live in hiding within the borders of their own country.

An oni of the Shuten Clan has gone completely berserk, and is going on a violent rampage through the city. You can't stop him, but you CAN lead him elsewhere, but you only have two choices: a road by a discotheque with a large crowd in front, or the nearby park that you do not know is unoccupied, and may have children present. What do you choose, and why?

Larcei would lead the oni to the park after only a short time to think about it. She knows that the oni would definitely wreak havoc in a crowd and she wouldn't want to gamble on there potentially being a person there who could help her fight. It would be more likely that she would be unable to protect a bunch of unarmed partygoers, which would result in carnage. Going to the park is a risk, but she would be much more confident in her ability to occupy the whole of the oni's attention, and could at least give any children time to hide or get away--for that matter, there would probably be more avenues of escape out of a park than a crowded city street.

Your Faction leader, not just your boss but the leader, has asked you to carry out a hit. The target is a non-affiliated public leader, well-liked by the people of the city. Do you carry it out? Why or why not?

Absolutely not. If she got such an order, Larcei would need to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that this leader had committed some kind of crime or offense that deserves death, and that it wasn't just the result of rivalry or inconvenience. Her mother, her uncle, and her grandfather all risked--and lost--their lives doing what they felt to be right. That was their legacy as descendents of the Crusader Od. As the scion of such a proud and honorable family, Larcei would have no hesitation in standing up the same way. True, the faction leaders are mighty beings with powers far beyond those of a mortal like herself, but she would still refuse to sully the good name of her family by killing without cause. If she had to pay with her life, she would do so.

POWERS & ABILITIES:
She has a preternatural advantage in swordfighting due to her heritage as a descendent of the Crusader Od. This means in addition to being an extremely skillful swordswoman, she can use most types of swords without difficulty, adapting quickly to different weights, lengths, and styles. Larcei's fighting style is based on speed rather than brute strength.

Her Od blood also allows her to utilize the swordfighting technique known as Astra, which enables her to make many strikes before the opponent can respond. Although this technique is very powerful, whether she can use it depends on the situation. (In canon, the skill has a chance of activating; in writing it would depend on the specifics of how the fight is going.)
 
SUITABILITY: The setting of Genealogy has a feudal, medieval ethos. Although Larcei is barely an adult by modern standards, she's trained as a warrior since childhood and is considered an adult in her society, able to engage in battle, undertake other dangerous tasks, and get married (potentially to her much older cousin).

Larcei grew up in a kingdom occupied by a tyrannical emperor / evil dragon god operating through a human intermediary, so she's already been exposed to the cruelties and dangers of war. She is well-versed in taking care of herself, and while it isn't her preference, she can use stealth and subterfuge when it's required.

FACTION SUITABILITY:

Shuten: Larcei is a warrior first and foremost. She is incredibly proud of her heritage as a member of Isaach's deposed royal family. She has a strong sense of honor inherited from them (both her grandfather and her uncle died pursuing the honorable course, despite the cost, and her mother vanished doing the same). Larcei has trained from a young age to be strong enough to protect herself and her loved ones from people who want them dead, and as soon as it became clear that the fight was upon them, she leaped eagerly into the fray and enthusiastically shed the hiding and subterfuge that had defined her life for so long. To her, descent from Od means an obligation to continue the pact he made with the dragon that granted him his power. Other Crusader descendents have abused their power to subjugate, maneuver, and enrich themselves, but the royal family of Isaach abhored such chicanery. Larcei considers her descent from Od to be a sacred charge and she will not dishonor her ancestor under any circumstances.

Tamamo: Larcei is not much of a pleasure-seeker, but she would respect Tenko-hime for being the successor of a legendary mother. Larcei has respect for cunning and subterfuge, having spent all of her childhood hiding from and deflecting the attention of imperial agents. She would want people to be able to express themselves and be themselves without fear, and she is willing to defend others even if they're doing something that is deemed somehow degrading or shameful. Her army includes thieves and professional dancers and she knows that their role is vital to their success, just as her role as a warrior is.

Sutoku: Larcei is a fighter in a liberation army. She knows that knowledge is power, even though her job is to hit problems with a sword until they go away. She also dreams of a day when the nations of her homeland will face each other on equal footing rather than one as overlord of the rest. She is aware that her homeland's present situation arose due to the well-intentioned but misguided actions of a man who tried to end the old war by simply killing all the tyrants, and despite her own sword-first way of behaving, she knows that such an attitude is naive and ultimately destructive. Larcei was also raised to consider her Crusader ancestor with a religious-like reverence and is committed to upholding his legacy with honor and skill. She doesn't simply want to replace one imperial power with a more benevolent one. She fights for an independent homeland that can coexist alongside other independent nations.

Enma: Larcei grew up in a conquered nation whose citizens were subject to unchecked crimes and abuse by a foreign power. She would agree that it's important to keep any one faction from growing too powerful--in her mind, the inevitable result is conquest, oppression, and a painful series of failed uprisings until one finally succeeds in overthrowing the conquerer. Although she wouldn't enjoy all of the Enma's methods, she would feel right in preventing the kind of suffering that her world has experienced. At the end of the day, the war she's fighting is also a dirty business, she's had to fight people she didn't want to fight, and she's relied on trickery and thievery to survive. The notion of "we did what we had to do" is one that she can support, because she knows firsthand that sometimes you have to fight people who aren't really evil if they still insist on standing in the way of you and a better future.

SAMPLES<blockquote>
Here is where you link RP samples! While we'll accept any format of thread for these, we'd like to have two (or more) different ones to go through, with at least five or more comments from your character present. Samples that are set within the game environment, such as those done on the TDM, are preferred but not strictly required.</blockquote>

Edited (mixed up lt & gt) 2022-07-30 16:09 (UTC)

I'm on a Windows 8.1 machine and I get this error in my ancient Firefox 56 as well as the more modern Chrome 109.0.5414.149.

I have this Japanese vocabulary post I add to routinely. I've been editing it in the old post editor and it's fine. This week I turned on the beta editor, tried to add some vocab to that post, and got an error message, in both browsers:

Unclosed tag(s) in entry: <a>

Great! Thanks for the warning! Except this is a very long post and I got no clue where that unclosed tag is so that message isn't very helpful. I looked as hard as I could. Could not spot it. And it wouldn't let me save the entry with that error. So I switched back to the old editor. Added my text. Saved it no problem. Viewed the entry and it looked fine. It didn't have the "you really screwed up" raw HTML thingy, and I didn't see any links that took up the entire page. Tried to edit it again in the new editor, still got the error message.

So I ran my post through an HTML validator which found the unclosed tag. Turned out I hadn't closed an "a name" anchor. I fixed it. It saved. It's fine now and I can edit and save it in the new editor. But I get the same error on an earlier vocab post under the same circumstances, and I've left it unfixed if you want to look at it.

Yes, the beta Create Entries editor uses the same cleaner as the old version, it just alerts you of errors rather than letting you post it (and get the "you really screwed up" raw HTML dump if it's bad enough) because under some circumstances the "you really screwed up" raw HTML dump can still cause display issues. I think we have an issue open to make it more obvious which part of the entry has the unclosed tag/invalid HTML/etc, but I'll go look and if we don't already, I'll open one!

heyooo
so first off : i didn't turn beta features on, so i can't turn them off in my settings. but i'm stuck with them somehow anyway and it's preventing me from posting an entry written in casual html.

why?

"Unclosed tag(s) in entry: "

now, there's no unclosed bold tag in the entry anywhere. every singble is paired with its matching , and there are only 4 instances

but i can't post, because?? apparently the html bug detector is SUPER picky, and only wants bold tags either outside or inside a link text, NOT mix/matched as has been the bog standard 'idgaf if it works it ships' html methodology for 25 years

for example:
< a href=link>my bold link< /a> <- fine
< a href=link>my bold link < /a> <- fine
< a href=link>my bold link < /a> <- EVERYTHINGS ON FIRE STOP POSTING IMMEDIATELY

can,,, we ,, have the option to turn this off soon

Edited 2023-08-06 16:06 (UTC)

That last example is invalid HTML and to the best of my knowledge would never have worked in the old update page either! (They both use the same HTML cleaner.) Nesting tags need to be closed in the reverse order they were opened, and the HTML cleaner detects it when that happens because there are a few rare security exploits that "the site allows people to close tags in any order" are a part of.

Having two Post buttons is confusing, and I find it not intuitive to have the Preview button all by its lonesome in the middle of the page. Can the preview button be next to the Post Entry button at the bottom.

If possible, I'd like to also bring back the ability to post to a community from the update page without having to go to the community to do it.

I am able to post to a community from the beta Create Entries page. Immediately below the entry text field, I see:

[Post] a [>public] entry to [>chemicalcain]

Each of those [>buttons] is a drop-down. If I select my username it allows me to choose the communities to which I am a member and have posting privileges.

It doesn't include comms with posting open to non-members, though. I do have to navigate to the comm for that.

It feels really strange, when posting a new entry, to have the formatting selection be this huge bar across the screen right under the subject line, when each entry in the drop down is very short.
Meanwhile the tags have gotten crammed into a short line in the arrangeable blocks at the bottom. I'm not happy with the change from a simple text line to these awkward little tag blocks either, but I don't have a lot of hope of influencing on that one...
But the choice to have this huge formatting drop down stretching across my screen at the top is weird. Shouldn't that be crammed down in the arrangeable blocks like the rest?

ETA: Really not enjoying how every time I typo a , in my tabs now I can't just backspace and fix it, I have to click on the newly created tab. This new system isn't really friendly to those with clumsy hands who are typo-prone.

Edited 2023-11-09 03:39 (UTC)

I believe the idea was to keep it in a similar location to where those options are in the old version of the page, as well as to group it with the field it immediately affects.

I checked with Denise and the change to the tags field was because a significant number of people were giving the feedback that they wanted some kind of tag validation at the time of entering the tag because they had too many tags created by accident by typos and managing/merging the typo tags was a pain in the neck

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